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4 de nov. 2019
Manifesto by "Architects for Catalonia" on the right to self-determination (1 OCT 2019)
The "Architects for Catalonia" collective issued the following Declaration on October 1 2019. It has been translated into English (by M.S.):
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if need be to read the whole post7 de jul. 2019
VIDEOS: "A Por Ellos". Spanish police being sent to Catalonia, 9/2017
Videos showing Spanish riot police and armed police being deployed to Catalonia from all over Spain in late September 2017 in a futile attenpt to prevent people from voting in a self-determination referendum. Note the Spanish flags, and the patriotic, even hostile, chants. You might be misled into believing...
Click here if need be to access the whole text.
... they were being sent on an international mission to fight off a foreign enemy.
Videos: 1. "A por ellos, oé": así despiden por toda España a la Policía enviada a Cataluña
https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/cataluna/2017-09-25/referendum-cataluna-video-guardias-civiles_1449434/
Videos: 2. «A por ellos, oé»: Policías y guardias civiles parten hacia Cataluña entre vítores, aplausos y banderas españolas.
http://www.alertadigital.com/2017/09/25/a-por-ellos-oe-policias-y-guardias-civiles-parten-hacia-cataluna-entre-vitores-aplausos-y-banderas-espanolas/
Miembros de la Guardia Civil, vitoreados en su salida hacia Catalunya
http://www.resumenlatinoamericano.org/2017/09/25/catalunya-aquelarre-fascista-a-manos-de-la-guardia-civil-espanola-para-evitar-el-referendum-independentista/
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Guardias Civiles y Policías Nacionales cantando "a por ellos" y el himno con letra franquista:
(coachload of Spanish policemen, uploaded on cctober 7 2017).
— El Confidencial (@elconfidencial) 25 de setembre de 2017
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if need be to access the whole text.... they were being sent on an international mission to fight off a foreign enemy.
“A por ellos, oé”: apoyo a la Policía de camino a Cataluña"
Videos: 1. "A por ellos, oé": así despiden por toda España a la Policía enviada a Cataluña
https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/cataluna/2017-09-25/referendum-cataluna-video-guardias-civiles_1449434/
Videos: 2. «A por ellos, oé»: Policías y guardias civiles parten hacia Cataluña entre vítores, aplausos y banderas españolas.
http://www.alertadigital.com/2017/09/25/a-por-ellos-oe-policias-y-guardias-civiles-parten-hacia-cataluna-entre-vitores-aplausos-y-banderas-espanolas/
Miembros de la Guardia Civil, vitoreados en su salida hacia Catalunya
http://www.resumenlatinoamericano.org/2017/09/25/catalunya-aquelarre-fascista-a-manos-de-la-guardia-civil-espanola-para-evitar-el-referendum-independentista/
A por ellos:
Playlist (14 vídeos)
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Resum / Overview (1' 54") 27 Setember 2017.
"A por Ellos"
Guardias Civiles y Policías Nacionales cantando "a por ellos" y el himno con letra franquista:
(coachload of Spanish policemen, uploaded on cctober 7 2017).
SEVILLA
Apoyo a la GUARDIA CIVIL en los exteriores de la Comandancia de Sevilla... GRACIAS SEVILLA
CÓRDOBA
Miembros de la Unidad de Prevención y Reacción (UPR) de la Comisaría Provincial de Policía Nacional de Córdoba marchan así a Barcelona. pic.twitter.com/lurwYxyO12
HUELVA 1
Cánticos de “A por ellos, oé”.
ONUBENSES CON LA @guardiacivil.— Vox Huelva (@Huelva_Vox) 25 de setembre de 2017
Despedida organizada en Huelva a nuestros agentes.@Huelva_Vox @jusapol @forogc pic.twitter.com/K2AfMlNhAb
HUELVA 2
Huelva. Comisaría de la Policia Nacional. Los compañeros parten hacia Cataluña para hacer que se cumpla la Constitución Española. pic.twitter.com/3toqIFTSbH— Antonio J Castilla (@ajcastillam) 25 de setembre de 2017
ALMERIA
“España no se rinde” and “Cataluña es España” ("Spain doesn't surrender" and "Catalonia is Spain")
Y continuamos con #Almeria gracias a su gente por el apoyo a @guardiacivil y @policia demostrado Viva #España 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸 pic.twitter.com/9o6CQlpefl— Unión de Oficiales (@UnionOficiales) 24 de setembre de 2017
Castellón
Guardia Civil de Castellon hacia Cataluña: (Castelló Civil Guards bound for Catalonia)
Cadiz 1
La Policía Nacional de Cádiz sale con honores hacia Cataluña: (The National Police leave Cadiz with honours, bound for Catalonia)
Cadiz 2
Salida de la Guardia Civil de Cádiz hacia Cataluña (The National Police leave Cadiz with honours, bound for Catalonia)
Cadiz 3
Policía Nacional de Cádiz parte hacia Cataluña (The Cadiz National Police leave, bound for Catalonia):
Cadiz 4
Efectivos de la Guardia Civil de Cádiz parten hacia Cataluña (Civil guards leave Cadiz bound for Catalonia):
Cadiz 5:
Efectivos de la Guardia Civil de Cádiz parten hacia Cataluña (Civil guards leave Cadiz bound for Catalonia; "Viva España, Viva la Gardia Civil, 'Votarem'!)):
Jerez:
Policías nacionales de Jerez parten hacia Cataluña (Jerez National police leave Jerez bound for Catalonia)
Guadalajara 1:
Guadalajara 2:
Cordoba:
Salamanca 1:
Salamanca 2:
Salamanca 3:
No estáis solos!!! Más refuerzos de la GUARDIA CIVIL hacia Cataluña en convoy nocturno: "No estais solos!" (You're not alone!)
Marcha de La Guardia Civil hacia Cataluña antes del 1-O
Departing vehicles (place not identified):
Algeciras 1:
Algeciras 2:
Algeciras 3
Salida de la Guardia Civil de Algeciras esta madrugada hacia Cataluña (Spanish national anthem):
Cordoba 1
Despedida a policías de la UPR de Córdoba enviados a Cataluña (Send-off for National Police being sent to Catalonia):
Cordoba 2:
Salida policias a Cataluña (Departure National police for Catalonia; coach):
CADIZ
Apoyo a guardias civiles en su partida desde Cádiz hacia Barcelona (Viva España, Via la Guardia Civil):
Cantabria:
SEVILLA:
Salida de la policía nacional y la guardia civil camino de Cataluña (Diario de Sevilla)
1/3:
SEVILLA 2/3
Chants of "No estais solos" (You're not alone!)
SEVILLA
3/3 "Yo soy español, español, español":
JÉREZ DE LA FRONTERA
Salida Guardia Civil hacia Cataluña - pongamos cordura ("Let's get them to be sensible")(includes chants of "A Por Ellos"):
On their way to Catalonia (September 25 2017)
CONVOY GUARDIA CIVIL camino CATALUÑA. No podemos estar MÁS ORGULLOSOS de vosotros ("We can't be MORE PROUD of you"):
22222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222 IS THE NEX T ONE OK???
ALICANTE
Nuestra Policia Nacional parte destino CATALUÑA:
https://youtu.be/EIWJi1VAXfU
https://youtu.be/jKRFUryBMhI
Castellón de la Plana 1
Aplausos Guardia Civil salida hacia Cataluña (Applause for the civil guard as they leave for Catalonia):
Castellón de la Plana 2
Salida de la Guardia Civil de Castellón hacia Cataluña: (Departure of Castellon civil guards bound for Catalonia):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vzk2kA3eL_Y
Los camiones policiales van hacia Cataluña | España (Police vehicles on their way to Catalonia | Spain) 25 September 2017
Castellón de la Plana 1
Aplausos Guardia Civil salida hacia Cataluña (Applause for the civil guard as they leave for Catalonia):
Castellón de la Plana 2
Salida de la Guardia Civil de Castellón hacia Cataluña: (Departure of Castellon civil guards bound for Catalonia):
Despedida a policías de la UPR de Córdoba enviados a Cataluña (Send-off for National Police sent to Catalonia)
Málaga 1
Emocionante despedida de contingente de la 👮 Policía Nacional camino Cataluña
Málaga 2
Salida desde Málaga de la Policia Nacional (UIP) hacia Cataluña.
Málaga 3
Apoyo a la policia nacional en Málaga, hacia Cataluña 26/09/2017
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=64ywZexuums
HUELVA 1:
POLICÍA NACIONAL parte hacia Cataluña para hacer que se cumpla la Constitución ESPAÑOLA (coach)
HUELVA 2: "A por Ellos oe"
Huelva 3
Entre APLAUSOS. GUARDIA CIVIL de Huelva sale hacia CATALUÑA (In the midst of applause, Civil guards leave Huelva for Catalonia)
HUELVA 4
Salida de CONVOY de la GUARDIA CIVIL desde HUELVA con destino CATALUÑA:
Despedida a la Guardia Civil al partir hacia Cataluña: (Send-off for Civil guard on their departure bound for Catalonia)
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Clashes on October 1 2017:
"Tensión: Guardia Civil Española entra en acción para impedir el referéndum ILEGAL de Cataluña"
Reflexión (Antoni Bassas), 2 October 2017
POLICÍA NACIONAL en CATALUÑA recibe REFUERZOS con gritos de VIVA ESPAÑA:
Police reinforcements are welcomed by colleagues when they arrive in a hotel in Pineda de Mar (to chants of "España! España!") which had been harrassed by locals as a reaction to the police actions against the referendum on October 1 2017).
"Tensión: Guardia Civil Española entra en acción para impedir el referéndum ILEGAL de Cataluña"
Reflexión (Antoni Bassas), 2 October 2017
"Fue un 'a por ellos'"
Later videos
"Reconocimiento de la Agrupación de Tráfico de la Guardia Civil a los agentes desplazados en Cataluña", Sevilla. February 2018.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xJyK3ugqk
POLICÍA NACIONAL en CATALUÑA recibe REFUERZOS con gritos de VIVA ESPAÑA:
Police reinforcements are welcomed by colleagues when they arrive in a hotel in Pineda de Mar (to chants of "España! España!") which had been harrassed by locals as a reaction to the police actions against the referendum on October 1 2017).
10 d’abr. 2019
VIDEOS. Sabadell: Escola Nostra Llar. 1-Oct
El PN de Sabadell parla sobre la intervenció a l'escola Nostra Llar. Aquí hi ha vídeos que podrien matisar les seves versions.
Clica aquí si cal per llegir tot el text.
Clica aquí
si cal per llegir tot el text. 11 d’oct. 2017
Numbers
Referendum on 2006 Statute of Autonomy
http://www.congreso.es/consti/elecciones/referendos/ref_cata_2006.htm
Yes vote: 1.899.897
Census: 5.310.103
Votes counted: 2.594.167
27 Setembre de 2015
https://www.parlament.cat/document/composicio/150360.pdf
JUNTS PEL SÍ 1.628.714 39,59 62
CIUTADANS 736.364 17,90 25
PARTIT DELS SOCIALISTES DE CATALUNYA 523.283 12,72 16
CATALUNYA SÍ QUE ES POT 367.613 8,94 11
PARTIT POPULAR 349.193 8,49 11
CUP-CRIDA CONSTITUENT 337.794 8,21 10
4 de maig 2017
Lawyers' manifesto upholding the right of the citizens of Catalonia to hold a referendum to decide the political future of Catalonia
Original text: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-d6U96ftQVaWDQyNTZ4dldQcEk/view
1. More than two thirds of the CITIZENS of Catalonia have for a long time been calling for a REFERENDUM to decide their future as a country. Likewise, a large majority of the REPRESENTATIVES of the people of Catalonia clearly defend this option and have put the issue repeatedly and in various ways, but always without success, to the institutions of the Spanish state. The undersigned, serving lawyers in various sectors, believe that the LAW, as an instrument of conflict resolution, has to FACILITATE THE RESOLUTION of this situation through a democratic procedure. The LAW is the precise instrument that has over history channeled the development of all societies, observing them and listening to them.
2. In a DEMOCRATIC LAWFUL STATE, such as Spain, it is the INTERNAL CONSTITUTIONAL FRAMEWORK that allows the citizens to propose substantial changes in the political and territorial organization, and that provides instruments to channel this democratic aspiration . This has been recognized in Canada and the United Kingdom, where Scotland and Quebec have held, within the respective constitutional frameworks, referenda on secession.
3. The Spanish Constitution recognizes the DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLE as a principle that structures the political and legal system, which allows limits to be imposed to the decision-making powers of the majority on dissident minority. The democratic principle makes it possible for the exercise of rights not to depend on majorities, as it is the way for minorities to be permanently protected; it thus provides a democratic opportunity to groups that for demographic reasons cannot become majority. The current constitutional system does not exclude from legality individuals or groups who have an idea of the law or of social or territorial organization that differs from or is contradictory to that of the Constitution.
4. Consequently, WE AFFIRM that inside the constitutional framework and thanks to the democratic principle, a right is recognized - which we call the "right to decide" - which grants its holders the authority to openly DISAGREE with the established constitutional order and also with territorial unity, to PROPOSE ALTERNATIVES expressed through a democratic process - usually a referendum, in the countries in our part of the world- and to CARRY OUT the result obtained, through negotiations with representatives of the State.
5. The position of the undersigned, therefore, in this debate on the process, is to give full support to the holding of a referendum on the future of Catalonia as a political community. We - as well as others - hold that this referendum fits within the Spanish constitutional framework because, given that it is a lawful and democratic state, it provides sufficient instruments to channel this conflict. We also consider that a CONTINUOUS REFUSAL of the State would legitimize OTHER AVENUES for the citizens of Catalonia to sayd how they want to decide their future.
6. We declare that the holding of this referendum is not only LEGITIMATE, because it is called for by a vast majority of the citizens of Catalonia, but also LEGAL, because the RIGHT TO DECIDE of the citizens of Catalonia is based on the Spanish Constitution and on the weighting of its structural principles: the rule of law and democracy, alongside the unity and sovereignty of the Spanish people. For this reason, the referendum can also be LEGALLY DEMANDED of the State.
7. Finally, we believe that the LAW can never be a blocking mechanism for a society; on the contrary, it has to be the TOOL capable of coping with the concerns, the developments and transformations of the entire community, providing answers that can facilitate progress and peaceful coexistence.
Translation: M. Strubell
More info:
1. More than two thirds of the CITIZENS of Catalonia have for a long time been calling for a REFERENDUM to decide their future as a country. Likewise, a large majority of the REPRESENTATIVES of the people of Catalonia clearly defend this option and have put the issue repeatedly and in various ways, but always without success, to the institutions of the Spanish state. The undersigned, serving lawyers in various sectors, believe that the LAW, as an instrument of conflict resolution, has to FACILITATE THE RESOLUTION of this situation through a democratic procedure. The LAW is the precise instrument that has over history channeled the development of all societies, observing them and listening to them.
2. In a DEMOCRATIC LAWFUL STATE, such as Spain, it is the INTERNAL CONSTITUTIONAL FRAMEWORK that allows the citizens to propose substantial changes in the political and territorial organization, and that provides instruments to channel this democratic aspiration . This has been recognized in Canada and the United Kingdom, where Scotland and Quebec have held, within the respective constitutional frameworks, referenda on secession.
3. The Spanish Constitution recognizes the DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLE as a principle that structures the political and legal system, which allows limits to be imposed to the decision-making powers of the majority on dissident minority. The democratic principle makes it possible for the exercise of rights not to depend on majorities, as it is the way for minorities to be permanently protected; it thus provides a democratic opportunity to groups that for demographic reasons cannot become majority. The current constitutional system does not exclude from legality individuals or groups who have an idea of the law or of social or territorial organization that differs from or is contradictory to that of the Constitution.
4. Consequently, WE AFFIRM that inside the constitutional framework and thanks to the democratic principle, a right is recognized - which we call the "right to decide" - which grants its holders the authority to openly DISAGREE with the established constitutional order and also with territorial unity, to PROPOSE ALTERNATIVES expressed through a democratic process - usually a referendum, in the countries in our part of the world- and to CARRY OUT the result obtained, through negotiations with representatives of the State.
5. The position of the undersigned, therefore, in this debate on the process, is to give full support to the holding of a referendum on the future of Catalonia as a political community. We - as well as others - hold that this referendum fits within the Spanish constitutional framework because, given that it is a lawful and democratic state, it provides sufficient instruments to channel this conflict. We also consider that a CONTINUOUS REFUSAL of the State would legitimize OTHER AVENUES for the citizens of Catalonia to sayd how they want to decide their future.
6. We declare that the holding of this referendum is not only LEGITIMATE, because it is called for by a vast majority of the citizens of Catalonia, but also LEGAL, because the RIGHT TO DECIDE of the citizens of Catalonia is based on the Spanish Constitution and on the weighting of its structural principles: the rule of law and democracy, alongside the unity and sovereignty of the Spanish people. For this reason, the referendum can also be LEGALLY DEMANDED of the State.
7. Finally, we believe that the LAW can never be a blocking mechanism for a society; on the contrary, it has to be the TOOL capable of coping with the concerns, the developments and transformations of the entire community, providing answers that can facilitate progress and peaceful coexistence.
Translation: M. Strubell
More info:
- https://twitter.com/JanneRiitakorpi/status/859526782046924802
- http://www.naciodigital.cat/noticia/129053/manifest/dels/juristes/favor/referendum/ja/supera/600/signants
19 de des. 2013
There will be independence, because there will be no referendum. An opinion and a forecast. Article by Manuel Delgado
(translated in house)
December 13 2013
The truth is I do not regard myself an
acute political analyst or anything like that, but I`m going to
indulge myself, without this being a precedent, by sharing a personal
insight into what is going on in Catalonia and what I think will
happen. I refer of course to the vexed (for many) issue of the
so-called sovereignty process, and which I now see as simply
irrevocable and will in a few months' time lead to a new state in
Europe...
Click on "Més informació" below to read the rest of the article.
5 de jul. 2013
Madrid newspaper editor threatens the Catalans
Pedro J. Ramírez, editor of the "El Mundo" Madrid-based newspaper, has issued a scarcely veiled threat to the Catalans via twitter.
"81% of EM.es voters support the army having deposed the Islamists [in Egypt]. The key: ballot boxes don't allow just anything. Is that clear?"
The Catalan digital newspaper Vilaweb has reported the tweet. It also reminded readers that shortly after the massive September 11 2012 demonstration organised by the Assemblea Nacional Catalana, which brought together 1·5 million people in the streets of Barcelona, Ramírez wrote an editorial calling for a change in the penal code to allow the spanish authorities to amend the Penal Code so that President Mas could be imprisoned if he called a referenduim on independence.
Another Catalan digital newspaper, Nació Digital, has also added its horrified comment on the tweet.
His resolute opposition to Catalonia's independence process, and his lack of respect for ther will of the Catalan people, were well displayed on the night of the last election to the Parliament of Catalonia, where the newspaper's efforts to interfere in the campaign by releasing trumped-up police reports falsely accusing Catalan leaders of corruption were reflected in his tweet saying that the El Mundo newsroom celebrated the results - the ruling coalition lost 90,000 votes - as if it were their own victory.
"81% of EM.es voters support the army having deposed the Islamists [in Egypt]. The key: ballot boxes don't allow just anything. Is that clear?"
The Catalan digital newspaper Vilaweb has reported the tweet. It also reminded readers that shortly after the massive September 11 2012 demonstration organised by the Assemblea Nacional Catalana, which brought together 1·5 million people in the streets of Barcelona, Ramírez wrote an editorial calling for a change in the penal code to allow the spanish authorities to amend the Penal Code so that President Mas could be imprisoned if he called a referenduim on independence.
Another Catalan digital newspaper, Nació Digital, has also added its horrified comment on the tweet.
His resolute opposition to Catalonia's independence process, and his lack of respect for ther will of the Catalan people, were well displayed on the night of the last election to the Parliament of Catalonia, where the newspaper's efforts to interfere in the campaign by releasing trumped-up police reports falsely accusing Catalan leaders of corruption were reflected in his tweet saying that the El Mundo newsroom celebrated the results - the ruling coalition lost 90,000 votes - as if it were their own victory.
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